Yes, maybe it is a little TOO much time with the family. We were together but doing our own thing. I agree. your husband wants to visit his family without you, doesnt want to spend Christmas with your family, You and your husband wanting to live in different places. And unless he has something planned, he stays in reading/watching TV/listening to music until bed at midnight. Other than the timeline (which could be a typo), Im confused about something else. If they are going to see his parents then I think he should pick up the tickets, especially since finances are tighter for her. My point is that this guy is not going to change and if you try to change he may lash out at you and say hurtful accusatory things like that!!! Break up and date a man who wants to spend time with you. Saturday night is date night you are willing to sacrifice one date night a month to see his parents but thats it. January 20, 2012, 11:06 am. And if we dont decide to go there a weekend hes home, his mom will ALWAYS think of an excuse to drop by for hours at a time. Your boyfriend is spending every weekend at his parents house because you are enabling that to happen. As your history with him has shown, he likes spending his weekends with you. If you spent every weekend together in the city before you lived together, it would seem that thats something he enjoys doing. If he wants to visit his parents for dinner once or twice a week, his wife should be accompanying him. My husband works 60 hours a week 5-6 days a week, until around 9 every night. However, its also a convenient excuse for No one said they cant, just that they like to see each other on weekends. Make plans for activities. My bf is exactly the same and we have a kid he sleeps there tho and we have been together for four year i am at the end of the line now i cant deal with it no more rather than spend the nigt at home with me and his son his mam and dad showrd up and said av come to take u and he had the cheek to ask me as he was already out of the door u alright er no am not alright but get on with it, They are ruinin our relationship we just lost a baby in septemeber and things are just bad i feel lile he doesnt want to be here and doesnt love me cos if he did he wudnt want to be up there he spends 5 out of the 7 days up the in the last two month we have lived together for four years. You go along with him to his familys house. January 20, 2012, 10:50 am. IN both matters (money and going to his parents), please dont be afraid to make your voice heard!! Maybe Im wrong, but the fact that he needs to be there every weekend (although what is significant amounts of time?) He may feel he is in a much better position than his family and feels sorry for them. GatorGirl It took both of us a while to cut that back to what it is now, first it moved to one set of parents each weekend so wed alternate, and then down to every couple weeks. Problem I swear, every time I talk to my parents (or Bassanio talks to his) theyre always lightly guilting us about visiting or a family vacation or something. See, thats whats weird, I have never been told im a direct person. , silver_dragon_girl They made mistakes and making mistakes and taking risks is what being an adult is all about. Most people dont want to know about the SO cheating, not because of the cheating, but the outcome of the cheating. But if that doesnt work, I think you need to accept it or move on unfortunately. ), and just talk about the big issues in general money, social life, work, goals, values, etc. ForeverYoung allathian Did I read this right, they have been dating four months, and are now living together? It is soooooooo dangerous to do that. Its weird. No one I know can read minds, I have no idea why LW thinks her boyfriend can. No matter how long they could be dating, if he preferred spending his weekends with her because that was their only opportunity, she would not have known that once they live together he will choose to spend that time with his family because now he sees her every day at home. I really like going on dates and spending time with just you on Saturday and exploring the city, parton_doll Laura Hope Posted on Last updated: December 26, 2022. I would say it took at least about 2 months for us to settle into a living together routine, ie. He also has a kid so Im basically competing with so much people. Tell him that while you love his parents, you miss going into the city on weekends and having weekend time alone with him in the city too. So much fun and you find really cool new spots to hang out too. Why My Husband Thinks Taking Care of the Baby is Easy: 3 Reasons. Stop going to the burbs with him all the time. And he was a bore. it was a constant struggle for almost 5 years because when Id drive to see him, wed get alone time, but of course i had to drive there. When we decided it was serious, he introduced me to his mom one weekend, and I introduced him to my parents the next. If they are as busy with their jobs as she says, I could see where they didnt see each other all week and he would spend his free time on the weekends with her. But Im a very direct, honest, forthright, loud kind of person. January 20, 2012, 9:53 am. Any partner of mine will likely have to be the same for us to get along. Hey, were in 100% agreement today, as opposed to 80%. He needs a lot of family time, you need a lot of just-the-two-of-you time. Did he see them a lot over the holidays or not see them much at all? That in itself is not dysfunctional, but putting a guilt trip on somebody because they would rather do something else is. I completely agree with Angelique in that this family dynamic is dysfunctional. And I bet your boyfriend will come home a bit sooner if you do! Like, I just went to The Niagara falls of Pennsylvania it was no Niagara but a nice day trip. Its not explicitly in the letter, by I got the feeling that the weekend visits to bfs family preceded the moving in together, but that she still had some weekend time to herself. Laura Hope Things are generally going well, but the one thing that I cant get past is how much time we spend with his family. my husband and i dont sit down and interrogate each other. But to leave your girlfriend every weekend for no other reason than youd rather spend time with your parents than with her is showing a major red flag. You dont want to talk about important issues with a SO so that you can pretend moving in together is a great idea because you dont know any better because you have SPECIFICALLY chosen not to know about better? You can be with his family every weekend and every holiday, but he can never be with yours. They could deny it, and if they wanted to change, they could. I like to relax at home. Yea I totally agreethis is a very short timeline. You even noticed thatyour husband wants to visit his family without you. GatorGirl It also gets you out of the house so that, when his parents drop by, too bad, you arent there. January 20, 2012, 9:28 am. If she is like lets do XYZ and he says no, lets sit at momsyeah thats a little off. On top of that, he got sisters who also constantly texts him and hangs out with them a lot as well. i dont know every time i go to assume anything i say the little rhyme to myself in my head. There is also his room, just as it was when he lived there. . allathian but no one thought anything of it if someone had other plans or didnt come for a few weeks. Added to that it already is a large issue (for you), because you are writing in to an advice column about it. I try to suggest fun things to do but its as if he doesnt feel like doing them. ReginaRey Im also curious about how far away the parents live. I have a friend in Chicago who, as soon as he gets off work at 4:30 (bastard works until only 4:30!) There is a very natural way to spark further conversation on this topic and perhaps get beyond the impasse. Laura Hope, I totally agree with you. Parents get old and die. maybe im misunderstanding you. The LW left out the most significant part of the story which makes it pretty tough for outsiders to offer any real help. Same way he knows about how I feel about abortion, politics, etc. I remember when I first moved in with my now husband I was so determined to split all expenses down the middle, even though at the time I was getting ripped off by my boss of the time (hed pay most of the people that worked for him whenever he felt like it, which was hardly ever). It showed up in the wrong spot for some reason. LW has already talked to bf and this hasnt worked. She doesnt mention doing it with him at all. No he actually does not spent 80% of time at his parents. But sitting down, and discussing everything as if its just business doesnt sound very appealing to me. GatorGirl Okay okay. GatorGirl But according to the LW, they dont have anything else to do.. Well, thats separate problem. Thats why he wants to help them all the time and probably helps them with various jobs every weekend. but you have to talk to him about it. By the time It may not be romantic, but its incredibly smart to make sure you have all of your bases covered before taking that kind of step. Bagge72 In all fairness- he probably has no idea this Irks LW so much. Not only is it a long commute to my boyfriends familys place, but its also starting to get expensive paying for the commuter train both ways (we split expenses pretty evenly even though I make significantly less). June 18, 2014, 9:59 am, Haha, I think this is quite extreme. So make him choose. Except for the part where they are not spending much time together at all, lets_be_honest WebOn one level he wants to be the good husband and provide for you and make you safe and enjoy happy and fulfilling moments with you. Oh yeah I forgot about that. Am I the only person that is truly freightened by this? Whether you need help around the house, want to go on a romantic weekend getaway together, or just want to cuddle while watching movies, youre entitled to it. He values his family and wants to spend his free time with them (and you). Say, what if I only come to your parents one weekend a month, and you only go 2-3? That way you get some weekend time alone with him and you only go over there once a month. you still have some kinks to work out and a lot to learn about eachother! You do like to see people you love, right? If you dont find the info you need in this column, please visit the Dear Wendy archives or the forums (you can even start your own thread), do a search in the search bar, or submit a question for advice at wendy(AT)dearwendy.com. But what Im truly wondering is if this difference in opinion over how to spend the weekends is reflective of other big differences between you two that you didnt have time to learn before you moved in together. That would be great if your husband didnt spend every weekend with his family instead of you. Not youre wrong and you have to change. I live a minute from my mom and 3 from his. I realize going every weekend to his parents house is a little extreme, but remember too that its not just you anymore. I do care for his parents and they are nice people but at the same time I want a separate life with just me and my boyfriend. Maybe Im the weird one who, even if I leave work early, never seems to get home until wayyyy late. As for the LWs sitch, its only been a few weeks. One of my good friends goes to see her in-laws (or the come see her) every weekend, and they live about an hour away. And the rest of my family in US get together almost every weekend as well. She thought he would change, and he hasnt. Thats on you. If Bitter Gay Mark disagrees with me, Ill reconsider. He has 3 sons two who are 26 (act like January 4, 2021, 3:41 am. Hes going to do what hes going to do and if in four years he hasnt changed, then he probably wont, Your only choice is to accept it or move on. Now that they are obviously not, it is definitely time for some conversation. June 18, 2014, 11:40 am. ForeverYoung Am I being unreasonable for not wanting to go to his parents house every weekend? Do you both work very long hours or something that he cant muster up enthusiasm to do fun things with you? ForeverYoung Then again if this is an issue of homebody vs. not-homebody, that is not so simple. John Rohan No, not necessarily. I am curious of yalls ages though. I feel like this letter would have been far more appropriate AFTER a conversation where the boyfriend shut her down. The last few years, he's wanted to go to holidays with his family, it's important to him, and I've wanted to spend my Tell him youre staying home three weekends out of four (which is completely reasonable) and hes welcome to stay with you or hes free to go see his parents, but you live in the city because you like the urban life and the weekend is your time to enjoy that life. But she doesnt seem to mind it. That is not the way that I would ever want it to be. Easily worked out and if not, then you probably have bigger issues than the garbage. That said, I think the LW should just talk to her boyfriend. Granted I dont live at home so definitely value all the time I get there, but some people just are more comfortable/prefer being around their family. If you want things to change, you need to be the catalyst for change. As my Irish/Italian grandmother used to say Begin as you mean to go on., rangerchic GatorGirl Will.i.am This has been going on for 4 years and its not going to change on its own. Ill add that another strategy you could try if those mentioned dont work is to simply spend less time at his parents house yourself. Share that with your boyfriend as well. He lived 4.5 hours away. In fact toward the end, when I was tired of the distance and really pushing for us to have a normal weekend together, he started accusing me of trying to take him away from his family (nvm the fact that in the four years prior to our relationship when he was away at college, he would come home and visit his family once a semester but then he started dating me and coming home every other weekend). if it works for you, thats all that matters. Like he was programmed that way. I would not enjoy feeling like I couldnt just be at home some weekends. Get out and DO something. Your husband sees you every day of the week It is possible that from your husbands Bike riding? Husband thinks spending Christmas Day just us then dividing the rest of the following week between families is a It isnt every weekend though, he is gone every week, coming home only some weekends. Instead of alienating him, encourage him.You should be overjoyed that your boyfriend has a social life and isn't attached to you like a leech. Ugh and when girls believe their boyfriends that clearly just dont want the bang train to leave over other people it drives me crazy. I come from a pretty tight knit family, and yea, when i was a kid i remember everyone coming over to mom and dads for Sunday lunch. Its different having lunch with your parents or spending a couple hours with them every weekend. June 18, 2014, 10:26 am. The money thing should definitely be discussed too I mean when youre looking for apartments how does this not come up? Then, he needs to ask her, calmly and without accusation, why she prefers to spend her weekends with her Exactly! Drews father is in his 90s (!!) Or is that the LWs perception because she wants to be home? Its hard not knowing when a passing will Please see my post below.. Dont people like to do things in their cities? I think of it as the I got you phenomenon. I dont think the parents issue is as big of a deal as the not-communicating-about-money-very-well thing. You are certainly not happy when unannounced visitors visit you, and you have a lot of work to do. Lindsay You guys share a toilet, you can afford some alone time one weekend a month. That way your BF gets to see his parents, and you arent having to schlep back and forth. spending evenings with his parents is one thing but choosing to sleep over there when they are literally down the street seems bizarre unless they are elderly and he is worried about them. My dad did this too, until he met his fiance and she moved in with him. My husband and I will go to a public driving range and a large bucket is $9. SpaceySteph Help him understand that while you do like his family (and its great that you like his family thats not always the case! . Plus his parents never made him feel like thats what he had to be doing. BGM never agrees with the woman. GatorGirl In short, you havent had time to even get to the point where your differences might start to come to lightand then become dealbreakers. muchachaenlaventana Living with your boyfriend can be the greatest thing, but it can also be a ticking time bomb if you let things go unresolved, especially after only dating for four months. Copyright 2023 Dear Wendy. November 29, 2019, 5:49 pm, Angelique January 20, 2012, 10:57 am. One thing is for sure, he comes home to you at the end of the weekend, even more tired than he left. Ktfran If you dont say anything, how in the hell is he supposed to know anything is wrong? Doesnt the LW ever have anything she needs to get done? Really? I think like Wendy said its perfectly fine to let him know you would prefer to have time in your own house on the weekends. All Im saying is be careful. hops the bus and goes straight home. I think the commenters who speak of the bf feeling settled and not having to date any more are correct. My boyfriends mom can be like this wants to spend all her time with him/us because she doesnt work much anymore and is bored, and obviously loves him. Maybe he is making up time for that. LW, you are not being unreasonable! He feels guilty for leaving them, feels comfortable with them, or runs away from some problems he has with you. Either that or another kind of quiet crisis or else the holidays . We just got thru the holidays. And sorry about the relationship ramble aboveits Friday, what can I say? Now, I usually call my mom once a week and my MIL occasionally. January 20, 2012, 12:27 pm. All rights reserved. What about visiting your parents? If its something that you just cant some to terms with, than it may just be an incompatibility that you two cant overcome. Some people are just like that and you have to try not to take it personally. Then you may just be spending too much time together. You could always lighten the mood a little by telling them you need time together to practice making their future grandkids. You are still in the early days of this relationship so make sure you are upfront with your expectations. i mean yeah there are certain things that happen naturally but there are certain things you have to have a conversation about. But yeah, having a partner whos very close to their family is not for everyone. Its just simple, smart, communication! Maybe he just needs to be broken out of his pattern. So LW, if you dont like it, I think you should MOA. This LW specifically has a problem during the summer/fall months (so 6 months tops, depending where she lives) when he gets to come home *only some weekends* so not every single weekend, and he spends a majority of his time with his family and the LW. I really do not think that there is any set amount of time a couple should be dating or know each other before moving to the next stage of the relationship. When I lived in Paris my host siblings were like that. Thats totally a lot. Follow along on Facebook, Twitter, and Instagram. muchachaenlaventana I purposely do this so hell not do the same with me. Those are two crucial things that need to be in place if youre going to spend your life with this man. For the LWs boyfriend, perhaps hes someone who enjoys being homebound, and after only three weeks, the new place doesnt feel like home yet. The second reason is that you know you will not have any peace from his parents. This is how children are taught. My parents live far too and it sucks that I cant drop in on them from time to time, that I have to plan a whole vacation just to see them and cram a lot into one tiny weekend. So sure, you can take his word for it, and then you keep your eyes peeled like lazer beams for the rest of the relationship. And that commute can be a PAIN IN THE ASS. 14 years ago. June 18, 2014, 10:44 am. This is especially important ifhis parents dont respect boundaries. Yeah.. Haha. Some people rather deal with never knowing they cheated and live in the sand and keep up with the good life, then know about it and have to start over fresh. Declining to go really shouldnt require an explanation, but if he really needs one just say its a combination of the expense, that youve seen them more often than your own parents, and that you simply have other things you want to do this weekend. YES! Its time for him to grow up. I can see his point about just sitting around the house so get out and be a tourist in your hometown. Its when a relationship switches from the wooing phase to the were together phase. This is something about him that will likely never change. We dont know for sure whether or not bf goes to his parents as his first choice of weekend activities or if he is a bit wimpy in dealing with his parents and cant say no to the invitation couched in terms of well, you said you didnt have anything planned. That was a reply to LBHFor some reason, it is not posting in the correct thread, lets_be_honest Family events go from holidays, birthdays and anniversaries. And its not as if the family bonded during their time together; they for the most part stayed in their own rooms reading and whatnot. But know that you arent over reacting what you are feeling is completely normal. You say you cant get your boyfriend to understand that you dont want to spend every weekend with his parents. June 18, 2014, 10:17 am. Just set a boundary that you wont spend more than so-and-so-many hours there and get ready to leave when you want to. but, i mean my husband and i just talked about it. silver_dragon_girl Ive put my head in the sand in relationships as well before. Anyway, LW, I think that first of all, youre a little premature in worrying about this to the point of writing to DWjust talk to your bf about it. January 20, 2012, 10:53 am. In being present in any matters their adult children bring to them, they reassert their power and superior knowledge. You arent happy and yet you stay. When you find that you and your partner spend most of your time together sitting on the couch watching TV or scrolling on your phone, a conversation most likely January 4, 2021, 3:09 am. I think it gives both of us an opportunity to have some alone time. Or he needs to retire to a place where he can enjoy just the feeling of solitary. When my husband and I got together, he was working a 4-hour drive from me and wed only see each other on weekends and vacations. If he goes alone to see his parents, I do slightly disagree with Wendys implication that this means he is choosing them over her. ok, well then really were talking about the same thing. Either way, needs to be talked about, but not insurmountable. Actually, its not just the weekends; your husband wants to spend every moment with his parent and his family. I Wish I Were Homeward Bound. If you are an introvert, unlike your husband, who is a social butterfly, there are more reasons for arguments. It sounds pretty nice, to me! . I understand the problem with not seeing him enough, but I think shes shooting herself in the foot by going with him all the time since that way shes communicating that shell go along with whatever his plans are. I guess then that depends on the LWs definition of a routine of spending significant amounts of time at their house nearly every weekend. Growing up, we went over to our grandparents almost every Sunday. Cue unintelligble grumbling. Lets not start with how many siblings he has. January 20, 2012, 9:38 am. The adult children are taught to never make a decision without consulting the parents or family. for example, before moving in if you dont have a conversation about how bills are paid, do you just assume that one of you will pay certain ones. And you are right, regardless of anything, if she has a problem with it, he should be able to find a compromise that makes everyone happy. Because when you are confronted with a situation head on, and theres pressure to resolve it right this second, the reaction is usually different then if you had a chance to talk it through and come to a mutually satisfying solution. 15 signs he doesnt want to spend time with you 1) Hes always busy Granted, most people are busy these days. However, you could opt to take time off longer than a weekend to spend time with him. Honestly, if she came back here and said she suggests things to do, or frames her conversations with boyfriend differently, I would have a different response. Thats what I wondered why does she have to go with every weekend? ele4phant You cant. Even with stuff planned, spending time with his daughter, etc., he still prefers to spend his free time at his parents home. Just plan something, anything. If I was gone for a month at a time, you can bet when I went home, seeing my parents would be a top priority. The finance issue, however, would bother me more at this point. June 18, 2014, 12:47 pm. Thats what next times are for! But are they really guilting the boyfriend? The LW just needs to talk it over with the boyfriend and agree with what works for both of them. Will you LWs simply never learn? It definitely sounds like there are some boundary setting issues here, but IDK dysfunctional is a stretch. If you dont find the info you need in this column, please visit the Dear Wendy archives or the forums (you can even start your own thread), do a search in the search bar, or submit a question for advice at wendy(AT)dearwendy.com. Its really hard taking care of yourself after a divorce, if you dont have a good career or come from a wealthy family. Sometimes I think that theres something that happens around the 3-6 month mark in most relationships. My dads side of the family is like this- I have an uncle and aunt who spend every day at my grandparents for at least a few hours. Melissa Melms, who lives with her fianc in Hoboken, New Jersey, says making time for herself amps up her happiness, which in turn benefits the relationship. This isnt a minor trait that you can ask someone to change for you, like throwing away your toenail clippings instead of leaving them on the floor. 1. You two have moved pretty fast (relatively speaking), and you two CAN actually spend time (read: weekends) apart. Starting over! He usually wants to go to his parents house every single weekend he gets to come home. Im very independent , so it doesnt bother me too much just because I do my own thing anyway but it is still frustrating. They go to see one of their families every weekend or see both some weekends, and its something they both agree on. Heck, some people are just like that. Hes probably simply not used to her stating her own desires and needs if she always goes along with him. January 20, 2012, 9:27 am. If this has only been going on 3-6 weeks or so she might be just starting to feel the pinch, so it hasnt really come up before this. Healthy couples accept these realities of life, work together to minimize the strain, and maximize their relaxation and entertainment time.. Ergo, off to the parents home. right! January 20, 2012, 9:37 am. She simply doesnt have to be at the parents place with her boyfriend that often. As your history with him has shown, he likes spending Your boyfriend is spending every weekend at his parents house because you are enabling that to happen. lets_be_honest I get that many dont, but I dont think thats dysfunctional. January 20, 2012, 9:14 am. so instead of just talking to your partner you think you should look for sings and clues? Ooo, I might try that out this summer, that looks fun! Have you told him its not a matter of him being weird or not weird for spending so much of his limited free time with his parents but that its about you wanting more alone time with him? She is communicating to us, that even though she is coming up short on the finance side, if her live in boyfriend eased off the time with the family visiting, she wouuld be ok. ForeverYoung First, you are against it because youre fine where you live and dont want to ruin it. January 20, 2012, 9:36 am. when we went to move in together we just said ok, what price range are you looking for. Find a free movie or concert in the park, those seem to be like everywhere. (Which she did and he didnt do anything about it.) You dont have to spend as much time with the parents as your boyfriend does & he might reduce his own time there if youre not there with him. Maybe a couple times a week for dinner. 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